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Travis Kalanick on Building Atoms After Uber

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Definition◆

The physical world can be digitized by treating atoms like bits, with manufacturing as CPU, real estate as storage, and logistics as network, enabling industrial AI.

Travis Kalanick explains his core thesis of digitizing the physical world by mapping computing concepts (CPU, storage, network) to atoms (manufacturing, real estate, logistics), which he calls 'atoms-based computers' for industrial AI.

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Travis Kalanick: I think a lot of folks know that sort of my whole thing and you hear me talk about all the time digitizing the physical world, bits to atoms, this kind of thing... Look, we know what bits are. Bits, the bits world is a computer... The three core computing resources, CPU manipulates the bits, storage stores bits, network moves bits from point A to point B. But if you're digitizing the physical world, you're treating atoms like bits. And you're like, well, I know that CPU manipulates the bits. What manipulates atoms? That's manufacturing or digitized manufacturing. Storage stores bits. What stores atoms? That's real estate. Network moves bits from point A to point B. What moves atoms? Well, that's transport or logistics... So we look at what we do as industrial AI. And I sort of have a nice little definition there. Systems of software, sensors, robotics, and AI used to automate operations of entire industrial sectors. Okay, that's what we do.

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Example

Industrial AI can be built as specialized 'atoms-based computers' for sectors like food and mining, where automation of production and logistics can dramatically reduce costs and improve safety.

Kalanick describes two concrete examples of 'atoms-based computers': a food computer that automates meal production and delivery to approach grocery store costs, and a mining computer that automates mining operations to increase yield and safety.

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Travis Kalanick: The first one's a food computer, Adams food, infrastructure for better food. The real question is, can you make a meal that's prepared and delivered to you so efficient that it approaches the cost of going to the grocery store?... Well, it means that your manufacturing has to be automated. So, we have robotics that basically do the production of food. Let's call that between six and eight between six and $8 per meal... We also have mining. Uh we have a really cool mission. Uh, I've gotten super geeked out on mining. I love it... More productive mines to power Earth's industries... when we talk about mining, we're talking about, you know, we go to gold mine CEOs and we're like, would you like 20% more gold per year?... but it means your opex is lower and it means by the way these mines are pretty damn unsafe. And so making these places way safer is also part of the purpose of what we're doing.

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Mechanism◆

Resistance to change is the 'final boss' for progress, as seen in historical industrial revolutions and contemporary protests against disruptive technologies.

Kalanick identifies 'resistance to change' as the primary obstacle to progress, drawing parallels between historical industrial conflicts (like the Homestead strike) and modern protests against companies like Uber and Waymo.

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Travis Kalanick: But there's a what I call the final boss. The final boss for progress. It's like the the boss you got to you you have to go up against and every one of the entrepreneurs in this room knows it. It's called resistance to change. It's natural because like you know a lot of times change is bad. Um and so you have to deliver an overwhelming amount of progress to make your change happen... this is a picture, an illustration. You don't see that guy on the top has a gun. He's about to shoot Henry Frick... While the bullets were getting pulled out, the dudes kept working. Founder mode... And we're starting to see those things, right? So like of course go back to 2014 Uber uh well there was a strike across all of Europe in all the major European cities. They lit cars on fire... So the Uber and Lift drivers are now protesting at the Whimo office... But we're ma we're bringing progress forward. There will be resistance.

Claim

Cultural fit was the primary reason for not acquiring Lyft, as the companies had fundamentally different values and operational styles.

When asked about not buying Lyft, Kalanick explains that despite the strategic benefits, the cultural differences between Uber and Lyft were too significant to overcome, making integration impractical.

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Travis Kalanick: So, Travis, why didn't you buy Lyft and do you regret it? What would you do if you can go back in time?... I think this will surprise a lot of people, but Lyft's culture was very different than ours... By the way, I got a lot of [__] for this for a long time... the culture didn't mix... when you meet with somebody and you're going to acquire them and there's so much goodness that could come from it... you want it to work... So, you wouldn't do anything different. I wouldn't do anything different. And it's easy to say now, but I got a lot of [__] for that for a long time. But it was basically I would sit across the table from the guys and I just didn't it was just clear that we were very culturally different and you couldn't it get harder and harder to make that happen.

Claim

Experience makes entrepreneurial tasks easier and faster, but founders must maintain urgency and avoid complacency, as ease often precedes difficulty.

Kalanick reflects on how his experience has made tasks like writing vision notes much faster, but warns that when things feel easy, it's often a sign that challenges are imminent, requiring founders to stay pushed.

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Travis Kalanick: the other thing that's interesting and I think sometimes, you know, the the the new the the the young entrepreneurs that are just coming up right now, they don't totally get it is that when you get into your third and fourth, I don't know, this may be even my fifth at this point company, you get freaking really good at doing stuff. And so things that used to take me a day or three days, a lot of stress, anxiety, like I am going to do this take me like 45 minutes. And that's a beautiful thing... But being pissed off makes you good as an entrepreneur. So, like I got to make sure I'm still fired up... when you when it gets easy it's time to push hard. If I always used to say like uh if something if it's getting easy it's about to get really [__] hard and you don't want it to be that way. You want to make it hard versus hard make it hard on you... there's actual times when it's easy, but it's because you're not continuing to push. So it's one thing when you're just not winning, but you're pretending like you are. And there's another thing when you're winning but you're taking it easy and you're about to start losing.

Context

The media landscape has fundamentally changed, allowing entrepreneurs to bypass traditional negative press and communicate directly through alternative platforms, reducing the power of 'struggle sessions'.

Kalanick highlights the shift in media landscape as a major change, where entrepreneurs can now avoid the negativity of traditional media and speak directly through platforms like podcasts and social media, which he attributes partly to Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter.

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Travis Kalanick: Look, I think probably one of the coolest things and this is part of why I'm out versus not before uh is that the media landscape has completely changed. the media landscape 10 years ago, 90% of what was said was very negative. Business had become politics and we didn't know it... But we weren't used to it then and we thought everything that the New York Times said was real and we know now that that's not even close to true... the media landscape is like, yeah, you don't have to talk to those guys and you can go and talk to a David Senra. You can go and talk to uh Joe Rogan or name your guy and it's you can say what you need to say in a in an environment that's not like a struggle session in Mau China, right?... And I think that's the biggest change for all of us in the last eight years.

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Atoms as Bits: Digitizing the Physical World✦ from: The physical world can be digitized by treating atoms like bits, with manufacturing as CPU, real estate as storage, and logistics as network, enabling industrial AI.Industrial AI Definition✦ from: The physical world can be digitized by treating atoms like bits, with manufacturing as CPU, real estate as storage, and logistics as network, enabling industrial AI.The 'Final Boss' for Progress✦ from: Resistance to change is the 'final boss' for progress, as seen in historical industrial revolutions and contemporary protests against disruptive technologies.Historical & Modern Resistance✦ from: Resistance to change is the 'final boss' for progress, as seen in historical industrial revolutions and contemporary protests against disruptive technologies.The Founder's Response✦ from: Resistance to change is the 'final boss' for progress, as seen in historical industrial revolutions and contemporary protests against disruptive technologies.

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