Audio · 2026-05-25 · 1h 8m · 6 moments

What It Takes to Run One of London's Most Popular Pubs

As our listeners know, restaurants are great microcosms for macro-economic trends. They sit at the intersection of everything from consumer confidence to commodity costs to the labor market. So on our recent visit to London, we wanted to learn about the business of pubs. According to the British Beer and Pub Association, approximately two pubs a day have closed in England during the first quarter of 2026. Could pubs tell us something about larger trends in the British economy? And when it comes ✦ AI generated

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GUEST Oshin Rogers

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Claim◆

Pubs are fundamentally different from bars — they are woven into the fabric of British and Irish society as neutral, timeless meeting spaces where people can socialize across boundaries.

Oshin Rogers distinguishes pubs from bars by emphasizing pubs' deep integration into British and Irish society as timeless, neutral meeting grounds that foster spontaneous social mixing.

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Oshin Rogers: Bars are places that people go to drink. They're places for that occasion to just go and drink. But pubs are much more connected into the fabric of British and Irish society. I think, honestly, they only really work well on these islands. I think what you said is right about the US. Yes, you do have pubs, but they're not the same.

Mechanism◆

The smoking ban was an economic earthquake for pubs that forced them to reinvent themselves by attracting new audiences and moving toward food.

Rogers describes the indoor smoking ban as a transformative shock that drove away traditional drinkers and compelled pubs to attract younger, non-smoking customers, which in turn fueled the rise of gastropubs and cocktail culture.

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Oshin Rogers: I would say that was an economic earthquake for pubs for lots of reasons, because lots of the old drinkers at that time would have stopped coming in because they couldn't smoke indoors and they would have gone on strike and drank less. So something had to be done. So they needed to attract a new audience.

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Claim

Pubs serve as democratic spaces where people of vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds can stand shoulder to shoulder and interact as equals.

Rogers explains that pubs are uniquely democratic institutions where a street cleaner and a CEO can stand side by side and chat over a pint — a social leveling that few other environments provide.

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Oshin Rogers: The great thing about pubs as well is they tend to be very democratic. In other words, you'll get people who can just about afford to have a beer, and you can get people who could buy the whole place. And they can be shoulder to shoulder, too, and chatting to each other. And there's a kind of a leveling when you're just having a pint.

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Prediction◆

Pubs are entering a golden age because people increasingly crave the shared, chaotic, real-world experience of being in a room full of other humans, pushing back against a two-dimensional AI-driven digital world.

Rogers predicts a golden age for pubs, arguing that the very trends pushing society toward screens and AI are generating a counter-demand for authentic, unpredictable, face-to-face human connection that only spaces like pubs can provide.

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Oshin Rogers: I think we're entering a golden age for pubs because, you know, while the world is saying that we're all going to move into this two-dimensional AI space where we'll be, you know, playing games and looking at stuff on screens, I can see anecdotally that people are coming in and really loving the shared experience of the chaos of being in a room full of other humans.

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Data

The idea that young people don't drink has been massively exaggerated — 18- to 25-year-olds still flock to pubs and drink pints in the same way older generations did.

Rogers pushes back on the popular narrative that Gen Z drinks significantly less, stating he sees plenty of young people drinking pints and having fun at his pub, though he acknowledges they may drink slightly less overall and be more health-conscious.

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Oshin Rogers: I think this whole story that young people don't drink has been massively exaggerated. I see loads of people, you know, between 18 and 25 still piling in and, you know, having pints and having fun in the same way as I did when I was that age. And yeah, maybe they are overall drinking a little bit less and maybe being a bit more healthy, which is a great thing, but they certainly enjoy a few beers.

Anecdote

A successful business partnership requires finding co-founders with complementary, not overlapping, skill sets.

Rogers describes how the Devonshire's three co-founders each bring distinct strengths — Charlie as the big-picture commercial strategist, Ashley as the food and product detail expert, and himself as the front-of-house operator — forming a complete working triangle.

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Oshin Rogers: I would say don't go into business with someone who has got the same skills as you because you will both be doing the same thing. You need to find someone who has completely different skills to you. And in the case of me, Ashley and Charlie, it's a perfect example. Charlie is a big picture guy... We've got Ashley, who spent 20 years working alongside the best chef in the world... And then there's me, who's the front of house guy.

Highlight slides

Pubs vs Bars: A Societal Distinction✦ from: Pubs are fundamentally different from bars — they are woven into the fabric of British and Irish society as neutral, timeless meeting spaces where people can socialize across boundaries.Why Pubs Are Unique to Britain & Ireland✦ from: Pubs are fundamentally different from bars — they are woven into the fabric of British and Irish society as neutral, timeless meeting spaces where people can socialize across boundaries.The Smoking Ban as Economic Earthquake✦ from: The smoking ban was an economic earthquake for pubs that forced them to reinvent themselves by attracting new audiences and moving toward food.Forced Reinvention of the Pub✦ from: The smoking ban was an economic earthquake for pubs that forced them to reinvent themselves by attracting new audiences and moving toward food.A Golden Age for Pubs✦ from: Pubs are entering a golden age because people increasingly crave the shared, chaotic, real-world experience of being in a room full of other humans, pushing back against a two-dimensional AI-driven digital world.The Chaos of Real Connection✦ from: Pubs are entering a golden age because people increasingly crave the shared, chaotic, real-world experience of being in a room full of other humans, pushing back against a two-dimensional AI-driven digital world.

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