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Jeff Kaplan: World of Warcraft, Overwatch, Blizzard, and Future of Gaming | Lex Fridman Podcast #493

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Claim

Focus on what you want to do, not what you want to be—the pressure to define yourself by a role is harmful, and fulfillment comes from following what you enjoy doing moment to moment.

Kaplan advises young people to stop obsessing over what career identity they 'want to be' and instead pay attention to what activities actually bring them fulfillment when no one is watching, drawing on his own painful journey from failed writer to game designer.

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Jeff Kaplan: Focus on what you wanna do, not what you wanna be. The pressure that society kind of puts on us is, you know, 'Oh, do you wanna be an astronaut? Do you wanna be a firefighter? Do you wanna be a writer? Do you wanna be a game maker?' And I think we get lost in the trappings of, like a vision of what that role is... When you go home, how do you spend your time? Like, what makes you happy? What brings you fulfillment? And through those paths, you're gonna find out what you're gonna become, not what you wanna be.

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Mechanism

The path of least resistance in World of Warcraft was designed to be quest-driven rather than grinding creatures, which fundamentally changed the MMO genre and opened it to tens of millions of players.

Kaplan explains how WoW's quest-driven leveling design—making quests the fastest way to gain experience—transformed the MMO genre by enabling solo play and attracting a vastly larger audience than EverQuest.

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Jeff Kaplan: We decided in World of Warcraft, we said, why don't we make the path of least resistance, so in this case, the way to get the best experience the fastest not to be killing creatures in one place, but will overload the experience into the quests themselves, and then that will move you through the world... I think it was like a fundamental change in the genre.

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Mechanism

There's three types of fun: fun for the player, fun for the designer, and fun for the computer.

Kaplan invokes Sid Meier's taxonomy of fun to critique designer-centric game design, using his own Green Hills of Stranglethorn quest as an example of prioritizing the designer's fun over the player's.

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Jeff Kaplan: There's a really great famous Sid Meier quote where he says there's three types of fun. Fun for the player, fun for the designer, and fun for the computer. And we catch ourselves, we're like, you know, we gotta be really care... It has to be fun for the player, not fun for us.

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Anecdote

Titan failed because of leadership failures—art, engineering, and design all fell short—and because the team was built too large too early without a coherent vision, a mistake Blizzard's hubris after WoW enabled.

Kaplan diagnoses Titan's $83 million failure as a multifaceted collapse: the team was hired anticipatorily before the game's vision was defined, the engine didn't work, art had no cohesion, and the hubris of Blizzard's post-WoW era prevented honest reckoning.

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Jeff Kaplan: Ultimately, the failure of Titan lies with leadership, team leadership, myself included... We failed on art, engineering, and design... The right way to incubate a video game is you have the smallest group possible and you try to get the idea across with whatever technology you can get your hands on... Titan kinda had that hubris of like, well, we're gonna build a really big world. We don't know the story of the world yet.

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Example

Overwatch was conceived in six weeks after Titan's cancellation, born from a single designer's offhand wish for 50 classes with one or two abilities each, distilled from leftover Titan hero concepts.

Kaplan recounts how Overwatch emerged from the ashes of Titan: designer Jeff Goodman wished for 50 simple classes instead of 6 complex ones, Kaplan distilled Titan's 'Jumper' class into Tracer, Arnold Tsang gave her personality, and the team scrapped their other pitches to rally behind this vision.

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Jeff Kaplan: Jeff Goodman just kind of off the cuff said... 'I wish instead of making, like, six classes, I wish we could make 50 classes. And I wish instead of having, like, you know, 100 abilities on the classes, the 50 classes all just had, like, one or two things that was really interesting about them.' ... I took every version of, like, the Titan Jumper, and I just distilled it into what I thought was the best version of the Jumper... And Arnold, 'Uh, what if she's British, and her name's Tracer?' And, like, that was the origin of Overwatch.

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Anecdote

The Overwatch League and the pressure to deliver Overwatch 2's PvE mode—driven by executive revenue targets and a CFO who told Kaplan a missed revenue number would result in a thousand layoffs 'on you'—broke Kaplan and led him to leave Blizzard.

Kaplan describes how Overwatch League's overhyped financial promises and escalating corporate pressure to ship Overwatch 2 eroded the team's autonomy, culminating in a CFO demanding specific recurring revenue or else layoffs would be Kaplan's responsibility—the moment he knew he had to leave the company he thought he would retire from.

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Jeff Kaplan: What eventually broke me was... I got called into the CFO's office, and he sits me down and he says... 'Overwatch has to make [dollar amount] in 2020, and then every year after that, it needs a recurring revenue of [dollar amount].' And then he says to me, 'If it doesn't do [dollar amount] dollars, we're gonna lay off a thousand people, and that's gonna be on you.' And that was just the biggest fuck you moment I had in my career.

Highlight slides
WoW's Quest-Driven Leveling Redesigned the MMO Genre✦ from: The path of least resistance in World of Warcraft was designed to be quest-driven rather than grinding creatures, which fundamentally changed the MMO genre and opened it to tens of millions of players.From Grind to Guided Play✦ from: The path of least resistance in World of Warcraft was designed to be quest-driven rather than grinding creatures, which fundamentally changed the MMO genre and opened it to tens of millions of players.Titan's $83M Failure: A Leadership Collapse✦ from: Titan failed because of leadership failures—art, engineering, and design all fell short—and because the team was built too large too early without a coherent vision, a mistake Blizzard's hubris after WoW enabled.Diagnosis: Wrong Team Structure & Hubris✦ from: Titan failed because of leadership failures—art, engineering, and design all fell short—and because the team was built too large too early without a coherent vision, a mistake Blizzard's hubris after WoW enabled.The Ultimatum That Broke Jeff Kaplan✦ from: The Overwatch League and the pressure to deliver Overwatch 2's PvE mode—driven by executive revenue targets and a CFO who told Kaplan a missed revenue number would result in a thousand layoffs 'on you'—broke Kaplan and led him to leave Blizzard.Why Kaplan Left Blizzard✦ from: The Overwatch League and the pressure to deliver Overwatch 2's PvE mode—driven by executive revenue targets and a CFO who told Kaplan a missed revenue number would result in a thousand layoffs 'on you'—broke Kaplan and led him to leave Blizzard.
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