The primary value of human designers lies in truly understanding user needs, inventing new concepts that have no training data, and having a distinct point of view.

23:32changed in three years? Of course, they're going to continue to get better. Um, but the way we think about it and and I and I really do believe this is like we're building tools to enable people to be more creative, to be um to to do more, to build more. And so it's it is already a great designer, but you it's at your fingertips to kind of

23:52figure out how to use it and how to get the best out of it. Where do you think human brains will continue to be most valuable as AI gets better at product design specifically? What are kind of like the remaining areas for us to be useful? >> Truly understanding [snorts] what people need. um you know I mean the human uh feedback loop of watching people use something and and

24:19understanding that um the you know inventing something new um I think uh and then of course there's just the pure like human kind of take right like oh somebody made this somebody had a point of view about this um I just think that I do think that will stand out more and more and I think that that's like an important thing for a designer to like really hone is like what is my point of

24:47view? What who am I building this for and why? Um and I don't know I think like as as as AI becomes more and more like better and better for sure there will be an opportunity to always kind of stand out and push how can you push that even further. >> Yeah, that touches on uh a conversation I had with um the PM of codeex. I asked

25:06him just why is AI not good at design? It's actually gotten better since that conversation, which was just like a month or two ago. And and he had a number of reasons for it. One is just like like part of great product design is doing something new. And so if it's trained on all the most interesting websites today, it's just like okay, but that's not what that's not interesting