The companies best positioned to survive the AI transformation are founder-led companies whose founders are willing to 'burn the boats' and reinvent, versus hired-manager-run companies that try to protect the old pricing model.

Jason argues that founder-CEOs like Marc Benioff are willing to make radical changes — like going headless with AI — while hired managers try to protect legacy per-seat pricing, making them more vulnerable. The distinction between Salesforce's headless pivot and Workday's attempt to charge a toll on AI interactions illustrates the divide. ✦ AI generated

Jason Calacanis · All-In Podcast · 2026-04-24 · original ↗

Look at Benioff. He's the founder of the company. He's run this thing since its founding decades ago. He is willing to bet it all. He's willing to make the change. And it may be that the index you buy in this era of AI transformation is the index of founders, that the founders who are still running their businesses are going to be the ones who are most likely to see the future. They can burn the boats. They'll burn the boats. They'll maneuver the boats. All of the guys who have hired managers to run the business are going to do the things that Shamaf's talking about, which is try and charge fees and try and maintain the old way of doing things as opposed to reinvent for the new future.

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