Founder-run companies will win the AI transformation because founders like Marc Benioff will burn the boats and reinvent, while manager-run companies try to preserve the old model by charging tolls and maintaining per-seat pricing.

Jason and Chamath argue that the key differentiator in the SaaS shakeout is founder-led vs. manager-led companies — Benioff goes headless and embraces the change while Workday tries to charge tolls for AI access, and the market will reward the founders who bet it all. ✦ AI generated

Jason Calacanis · All-In Podcast · 2026-04-24 · original ↗

Look at Benioff. He's the founder of the company. He's run this thing since its founding decades ago. He is willing to bet it all. He's willing to make the change. And it may be that the index you buy in this era of AI transformation is the index of founders, that the founders who are still running their businesses are going to be the ones who are most likely to see the future. They can burn the boats. They'll burn the boats. They'll maneuver the boats. All of the guys who have hired managers to run the business are going to do the things that Shamaf's talking about, which is try and charge fees and try and maintain the old way of doing things as opposed to reinvent for the new future.

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