Investing in tokens over knowledge workers leads to superhuman agents that outperform the best humans.
Ali Massa argues that by prioritizing token investment over human labor, Kavak can build superhuman agents that surpass human performance in critical areas. ✦ AI generated
Ali Massa · a16z Podcast · 2026-08-10 · original ↗
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I'm investing more in tokens than in knowledge workers. We could build superhuman agents. This means that by every dimension that matters, our agents would outperform the best human we had ever hired.
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0:00I'm investing more in tokens than in knowledge workers. We could build superhuman agents. This means that by every dimension that matters, our [music] agents would outperform the best human if we had ever hired. >> ambitious companies listening to this will decide to follow suit, which is you decided to build an agent per customer. >> Yes. Every day between 100 and 200,000 [music] agents get instantiated specifically for
0:27this customer with its own virtual machine. >> There's a lot of people worried about how the organizations of the future are going to look like and the role that humans are going to play. >> If you haven't faced fear before, you haven't felt it, then you haven't tried AI. We launched a program [music] inside Kavak that's called the Jedi Academy. From the CEO to like AI engineers to mechanics, we train
0:48everyone and after [music] 6 weeks, they launch state-of-the-art agents to production. >> What advice do you have to future founders or first-time founders that might be listening? >> What works right now is >> Welcome back to the ACC podcast. Today we have Ali Massa, the head of AI at Kavak. We're going to discuss today the transformation that Ali led within Kavak to turn it into an AI-native company.
- ·Investing more in tokens than in knowledge workers
- ·Building agents with superhuman capabilities
- ·Agents outperform the best human employees
- ·Prioritizing token investment over human labor
- ·Aim to surpass top human performance
- ·Outperform in every critical dimension