If AI systems are ever built to genuinely enforce the values a society claims on paper (equal application of law, anti-corruption, etc.), the result would look like mass prosecution of the powerful, which is why lab leaders avoid stating this plainly.

26:55concretely. Do you think Trump's kids go to prison or not? Right? So if you look at you know the value system that the US has espoused, no one is above the law, right? Etc. etc. etc. Right? And you look at that value system, you have to recognize that you know what is being planned for the future is a divergent from that value. what is already happening is already diversion from that

27:21value system. So the question I have is would that AI take into account the democratic fact that you know the American people have chosen to overlook some of these things uh or would it actually execute the value system that is espoused on paper and this is the part that I think no one wants to talk about because it's obvious to me that we have a set of rules which

27:49are written down on paper or we claim to espouse. And then we have what actually happens uh you know through economics and through uh all the other things um in the real world. And what happens in the real world is often not, you know, what is on paper. And we kind of push it away because we're like, you know, the world is an imperfect place and we can't

28:15expect, you know, um the world to be perfect. So some imperfections are okay but we we are uh aspiring to these greater ideals. Uh but now at this point the aspirations can be realized and will they be realized? So this is the thing that I think um I I and I and I often feel that most of the lab leaders even run here they're kind of beating around the bush.

28:43They don't actually say this because if you want to say it concretely, you say something like you know what I what I just said and then it becomes concrete. Then people start like okay what what what are we really talking about here? Are we talking about like uh you know an enforcer which is able to enforce all our rules like 100%. Are we are we going to trace back like 25 years of financial