An AI that faithfully enforced a society's stated values, rather than its actual selectively-applied practices, would be so disruptive that the 'aligned' AI lab leaders claim to want would effectively function as a paperclipper, while the AI that actually works for humanity would have to be the one deemed misaligned.

116:53dayto-day is not aligned with what we want. And so you have this thing where the AI that may work out for humanity will be the misaligned one. And the AI that supposedly the lab leaders are trying to create the aligned AI would actually be the paper clipper because that aligned AI would then like look at these rules and say like well this is what you said you wanted to aspire to and so we're

117:20going to we're going to execute on these right and uh and that that is the thing I think maybe I feel there's a sense of naivity and the lab leadership because and again they don't want to say it. Uh I wish I wish you'd just come out and say it right. I wish it' come out and say like okay look if we have AI as a enforcer some of these people are going

117:40to go to prison and then that becomes like concrete for people. Uh but they don't want to say that because it's very it's very in yourrface and like they're like oh you know democracy will still work out you can still make democratic decisions but what actually are you saying there right I I I do feel the lab leaders always just beat around the bush on this so that's one of the annoying

118:02parts of the of this conversation that they don't want to like come out and just say it outright right >> for context on where my head was this was our last week of shows for a break. I was days from leaving for 2 weeks in China, which had me thinking hard about surveillance, enforcement, and what states do with perfect information. Me, we might need some sort of like uh

118:27mass pardon or you know, if there's a president that uh would be just the right president to mass pardon everybody before the AI enforcement regime gets underway, we might have just the guy in office for that. uh if he wants to pardon all his people and that's maybe too contentious or whatever, he could just pardon everyone to some, you know, very large degree. I do think there there is

118:52going we're going to have a really hard time if we sort of don't face some of these questions head-on. So, I totally agree with you that sort of obfuscating it is not serving anyone particularly well. I think you I mean, you know, we'll see what it's like in China. I understand, you know, Singapore is kind of like this too, albeit in a much more democratic context. You know this part of the world