Herodotus's accounts of Persia cannot be trusted in their particulars, yet historians cannot do their work without relying on him because the Persians themselves left almost no narrative histories.
Historian Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones argues that Herodotus's histories are riddled with fantasy and fiction, yet remain indispensable since the Persians left no comparable written record of their own. ✦ AI generated
Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones · Fall of Civilizations · 2025-12-16 · original ↗
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We cannot believe much of what Herodotus says, and yet we cannot do without him. Some historical truths about the Persians may well lie hidden in Herodotus, but one needs to dig deep through the layers of fantasy and fiction to find them.
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38:59tell their own story in the light of history. The historian Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones puts the dilemma for historians bluntly. We cannot believe much of what Herodotus says, and yet we cannot do without him. Some historical truths about the Persians may well lie hidden in Herodotus, but one needs to dig deep through the layers of fantasy and fiction to find them. In the end, trying to glean the truth about this very ancient past can feel
39:35like exploring the depths of the deep ocean, where a single beam of light might illuminate a whole ecosystem or an undiscovered species living down in the depths, but elsewhere in all directions, there is only darkness. Like many momentous figures of this time, such fantasy and fiction completely shrouds the early life of Cyrus the Great. What we know for sure is that Cyrus was born into a royal family.
40:20He was the son of a Persian ruler named King Cambyses I of Anshan and possibly his wife Mandane, who was reportedly a Mede. As such, Cyrus may have grown up speaking both Old Persian and his mother's tongue of Median. His mother Mandane was also royalty. She was the daughter of the ruling king of the Medes, a man named Astyages, who all the tribes of the Persians swore loyalty to. As such, Cyrus was likely born the immediate heir to the province of
- ·Herodotus's accounts of Persia are unreliable in detail
- ·Riddled with fantasy and fiction, per Llewellyn-Jones
- ·Yet historians cannot do without him
- ·Persians left almost no narrative histories of their own
- ·Some historical truths may lie hidden within his work
- ·Requires digging through layers of fantasy to find them