Certain massive successes require a singular, obsessive founder who can break through barriers over a long period.

39:34businesses that it's like, oh, Airbnb was not meant to survive. It broke the rules. It was supposed to die 12 times and it finally the universe gave in and was like, "Fine, go ahead and exist." It was not like just anybody was going to make that happen. [laughter] It was it was not going to happen that way. It's so good. There's this scene that um in in the movie Rudy, have you seen the the

39:54football show or the football movie Rudy? >> Yeah. Like Rudy's like talking to a priest uh and the priest is like, "Rudy, I've been a priest now for this long and there's only two things that I I've realized I believe in. There is a God and I ain't him." And uh [laughter] and whenever I hear stories of like Dana White, what do we say? or uh we we were

40:18uh paraphrasing someone else, but it was it was like make sure your passion burns so bright that everyone will come in town to like watch you burn something like that. When I hear stories like this, that's what I'm envious of. I'm like, I wish I cared about anything as much as this guy cared about a stupid card game. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's exactly right. when you hear the stories of like um these kind

40:38of like singular force of will creativity you know like the guy who who was the guy who created Minecraft one guy >> Notch yeah >> the whole thing himself you know what I mean um I I have a friend he's a very very smart venture capitalist you know this guy's like backed some of the biggest winners and he said something to me once about I remember when esports

41:01was like on trend and people were investing a lot in esports and uh Overwatch franchises were selling for 20 million a pop because they were trying to make it the next NBA and he wasn't buying any of it. And I'm like, "But this is kind of your thing. You like these like weird niched things that could be huge, but they're kind of written off and now they're starting to

41:19pick up steam. Like I'm surprised you're out." He goes, "Esports needs it's Dana White." And he was like, uh, I don't know who that person is, but he goes, anybody could have told you that, like fighting, martial arts, like it was a thing for sure, but the guy who was gonna make it the worldwide thing, it took a very special like batch of entrepreneurial energy to do that. And somebody who was going to

41:42just break through walls for 20 years. >> And so he's like, you just need to and he's like, so I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting till esports has that. He's like, I don't think esports is not going to be a thing, but I also don't think it's a thing. it's going to be a thing right now because I don't see who that person is yet. And you see this with

41:56other things like right now, uh, longevity is obviously a huge trend. Wellness, longevity, it's kind of replaced health and fitness as like the way people want to optimize. And Brian Johnson, I think, was the Dana White of that industry. I think Brian Johnson was willing to do things no one else would do in a way in a combination of like skills and personal sacrifice that uh very few people were ever going to um