Ben Wilson facing stage four lung cancer with dignity, calm, and even excitement is a real-time demonstration that 'being great' — living with integrity and grace — matters more than achieving external success.

35:58I like that. That's a cool That's a cool story. Can I um can I take it a totally different direction? >> All right, I could talk to you. Let me talk to you about something. Um it it's going to sound sad, and it is sad, but I think it's like really interesting. And uh I I have permission to talk about this, but I think it's cool. So, you and

36:17I had a producer named Ben Wilson. Ben Wilson uh was our producer for My First Million for a long time. And he now has a podcast called How to Take Over the World. Uh he's got four kids under the age of 5 years old. It's crazy. And 6 weeks ago he found out that he has stage four lung cancer uh where the odds are not in his favor, but he's

36:39got like the best doctors in the world. So, like some crazy things might happen. He's very optimistic. But, I went and met with him yesterday. He he's in New York to see a doctor. And I wanted to talk about my experience getting to like like talk to him cuz this is like a very like interesting predicament that he's in. Think about this. 6 weeks ago he found this out. So,

36:57in the 6 weeks he moved his house. He sold his home and got a new home closer to the doctor that he's going. Uh he did like a $400,000 fundraiser, which was amazing. He like got his will and all of his estate stuff together. And he's gone to like all these um like doctors' appointments, like so many of them. And I remember like talking to him yesterday. And I was like, "Dude,

37:18you've gone through so much. Like this is so heavy." And I And he was telling me a little bit about it. And I My initial reaction when I heard all this, I felt like extreme sadness. Partially because Ben's a Mormon. So, Ben has lung cancer and it's in his spine and in his brain. But, it started as lung cancer. And he has never smoked. He has never

37:37drank. He has really never done anything bad in his life. Uh and I felt like I felt like uh like we have an agreement with the universe where we put good in and we should get good out. And I was like, "This agreement has been broken." And I felt like pretty like pissed about it. And I Yeah, I felt very angry. But, then like I started like seeing how he was

37:57reacting to all this stuff. And like I would put myself in that shoes. I'm like, "All right. 6 weeks ago in June I find out that I have this illness. Like how do I react?" And I was like, "I would be I would go insane. I I would be so sad. I'd be so depressed." It was just like crazy how calm he was. And what's interesting is that Ben has a

38:15podcast called How to Take Over the World, which is about like how great leaders become great. And I was thinking about that. And he had this uh journal with him. And it was on the title of this journal was zero to 365. And I was like, "What's this?" He was like, "I have a journal where I'm going to document every single day, and my goal is to fill this whole thing out.