AI does not eliminate the need for product managers — it increases it, because the hard part is no longer building but deeply understanding users and deciding what to build, and that requires people who are relentlessly user-centric, hands-on, and able to translate user needs into actionable form.

81:44how is this possible and what I heard a lot is just because everyone is so aligned around the mission and the values it allows people to make decisions really quickly before we get to our very exciting lightning round. Is there anything else Dan that you wanted to share? Anything else you wanted to touch on? Anything you want to maybe double down on of things we've talked about?

82:04>> This was actually really fun because I feel like your questions actually sharpen some of my thinking around how the dots kind of connect. I'm I'm your real human claude over here. One thing that I really uh want to like convey or um have people take away is I think one in the ways of working, but also just two that like this is a this is a lot of like growth and change

82:31and having the joy in using this technology and like if you're feeling like in this moment you don't have as much of that feeling of initial joy, how do you find people who do uh if this is an area that that you're excited and like want to work on and I think developing skill sets replenishing skill sets in many ways of things like thinking from a first principles manner

82:57about what you solve I think fundamentally you didn't ask me this but there is this question in the community of do we still need PMS when the models are so capable when engineers are leaning in um I think the role of people who are user centric who go into the details of understanding what users are trying to accomplish bubbling that up in an actionable manner and doing the

83:25relentless work to do that like that to me is a core of a product person and I actually think we need more of that. I think we are becoming very technology layered driven and actually to make that impactful it's you have to go deep you have to be curious you have to be super hands-on and those are things that I think are also traits that have I think

83:49helped anthropic from a product development and model development perspective and as part of the culture and hopefully that's valuable for others as well. >> Amazing. What an inspiring way to end it. Oh man. Yeah. And this is I've been saying this too for a long time just now that building is easy the hard part part becomes as you said what should we build and is the thing we