敬畏情绪通过创造自我渺小感来减少焦虑和抑郁，旧金山是诱发这种情绪的最佳城市之一。

37:16did this with New York. You had a bunch of them. I had one major one. So, San Francisco is the best city on Earth, in my opinion, to induce the emotion of awe. So, the definition or the para- paraphrasing the definition, it's basically experiencing both vastness, which means something that's really large, something that feels like endless or incredibly old, while also being a thing where it sort of breaks your

37:42mental framework, your mental schema. And so, it basically your brain has to do this thing called accommodating, where you have to change how you think in order to fit what you are looking at into your your schema. And it's sort of like we use the word frame breaking. And it can't But it can't be just like impressive, you know? It can't be something that's just big. It has to be

38:02so big or so epic where it's different than what I what I'm used to and how I define how life is. And that is the emotion of awe. >> Well, I was going I just looked up the I have the exact definition, which is very much what you said, but with a little extra. So, it says Awe is a strong feeling of deep respect, wonder, and amazement, often mixed with

38:22a bit of fear or nervous dread, which also happens a lot in San Francisco. >> Yes, and I felt that, but I want to explain why like I felt awe in the good way, because not all is bad. Like you can be in awe of like an atrocious act. Like when you read about World War II, you can be in awe, and it's not necessarily good. But basically awe is

38:40interesting because I have found, and I think that I can't just I've read about a little bit about this, but also some of this is my opinion, uh is that it reduces anxiety and depression because it creates the self-diminishing emotion. So, a lot of times anxiety and depression exists because you are the center of all your problems. It's basically me, me, me, and you're constantly thinking of yourself. And I

39:04think that we all have to do like self-rumination. I mean, you have to think about issues all the time, but when you experience uh awe, uh opportunities that exist, they either seem much bigger than you think, or they just seem not important, and you stop thinking about yourself, and you start more so thinking about like the stuff that you see. And when I'm in San Francisco, I drive through or

39:26ride through the Presidio, and you see these massive hills, and you see views. And what I've noticed is that seeing horizons, particularly when it's like a large view and it's an ocean, like it's uh you're above an ocean and you can overlook, it gives me this like deep sense of calm, this deep sense of like um well, of awe. And I find it to be incredibly addicting, but also a very

39:49inspiring emotion. And I left I left San Francisco thinking like this is the greatest feeling on Earth. >> W- Well, you you described the nature side of it. I was surprised you didn't talk about the entrepreneurial awe that you also get, cuz we sat there for a whole day, and just every 20 minutes a new founder came in and sat in the seat in front of us.