The open-weight, low-cost LLM business is a real and growing category, and it's an open question why no US company has stepped up to compete with OpenAI and Anthropic in this space.

26:32maybe later in life it's now 10x and building something and this is another trit VC is building something truly generational. You kind of know as a founder when you're on that path. Okay. And so the VC that what should I do it for 2.8x on my last you know it's just it's the right way as a finance year to think about it. Don't get me wrong but it's a terrible way for a

26:53founder to think about it because there's way too much risk for not enough money. like going from again going from 40,000 in the bank to 400 million versus 800 million. It's it's it's irrelevant if there's risk. This is and and and sometimes then there is a handful of work. There is a handful of work in those next three years. It is a handful of sweat and a handful of market change

27:15and a handful of people that quit and move on and a handful of competitors that they're they're looking pretty good and they may pass you. Three 3x not good enough, man. Got to be 10x. >> I'm confused. What are you saying? Are you saying to sell at six or you saying no? Which is odd because >> I'm saying if it's financial, sell at six. If the mo if the 18 is not enough,

27:35it's got to be 60 >> to be worth the risk for most founders. It's not enough gain. >> I I understand what he's saying. >> This isn't clearing the prep stack. This is clearing my life stack. >> It was weird. I didn't think you were going that direction, but as often happens with you and I listen to the whole thing, I'm like, I get it. I think

27:52what he's saying is this, Harry. Right. you know, when you face that sell decision, um, you you don't not sell because you think you can make twice as much in a year, right? Because you just never know. And it like, you know, and I so in the end, even though I didn't think I'd agree with him, in the end, I did. It's like what I think he's saying is let's

28:15leave aside the what do you want to do with your life questions from a return perspective, you know, don't think incrementally. If you have a chance to sell a company for six billion and make 600 million and you you have a you think you can run it another three years and get you know 1.2 billion that might that risk adjusted that mightn't be worth it if your

28:36current net worth is $40,000 and that's actually good good financial advice. I mean it doesn't in other words if you turn down a big ass offer you better be sure it can be way bigger. You better have high certainty and high bigness. I I think that's a fair comment. >> Yeah. If it's 10x this is my net advice. If it's 10, if you know in your heart

28:52and soul you are building a company 10x bigger than this, right or wrong, like like I I don't know, then go then effing say no and go for it. Here's a few more shares. In fact, friends, let me reload you. But but they only best at 10x. >> It wasn't what I thought where I thought you were going cuz I actually thought you were going to say yeah something