Sovereign AI is fundamentally about strategic autonomy for a nation or enterprise — minimizing dependency on outside infrastructure — with TELUS as a prime example, building talent, infrastructure, and software ecosystems to serve Canadian citizen services, defense, and economic empowerment.

11:47Yeah, I'm very familiar with that, that, that particular, project. Sovereign AI, at the end of the day, really is about strategic autonomy, right? It is about a nation or an entity, it can be at the enterprise level as well, right? really not being dependent, as little dependency as possible, right? It's like you're never gonna eliminate all dependency. you never control the full stack, but you are going to be able to get

12:09to like areas where you can really leverage for strategic autonomy. TELUS is a great example of that because they're fundamentally a Canadian telco that is servicing in the interests of Canada. And they're providing development of talent, they're providing development of the infrastructure, and the development of the software infras- ecosystem to drive innovation, and that can be correlated through Citizen services. So as an example, creating taxation services or passport applications

12:39in multiple dialects, right? And automating that, from a citizen services perspective. It can be national defense, right? So how do I actually implement under certain geopolitical climate conditions, certain contingencies, right? And using AI and HPC to actually simulate and develop those strategies. It can be in the context of AI economic empowerment. we've helped many, different countries to actually build an ecosystem of AI startup companies that then get access to a system

13:06based on a vetting process, and then they get help and support with talent development to get to a minimal viable product. And from there they can actually, potentially get routes to market, through introduction. and that's something that, Telus as an example, is aspiring in all those contexts, right? So they're driving economic empowerment, citizen services, all kinds of different programs, right? And that's creating overall growth, in the ecosystem.

13:29So that's a great example of a traditional telecommunications company that diversified into GP as a service, and now they're moving into much higher up in the stack and becoming the sovereign provider as well. I'd love to close this out with some spicy takes. If we look back in a couple of years at what we've, what we're doing today as we build out AI infrastructure, what will seem quaint or crazy?