Saronic's Marauder, an 180-foot fully autonomous ship, can field 320 VLS (vertical launch system) tubes per year at a fraction of the cost of a naval destroyer, which fields about 10-15 VLS tubes per year at $30 million per tube.

13:06Do you know the the Corsair costs about a million? >> Yeah, I want to go back to we'll get that. I want to go back to one thing you said earlier and it's like China's building both >> very large ships and a lot of ships. They're right. They're doing it all. Right. And when we think about, okay, how do you actually change the paradigm for the US Navy, it's

13:25>> let's actually boil it down to unit economics. Let's think about this like a commercial company. How do you Viv mentioned like payloads? What are you actually moving on the ocean? One of the most important metrics is VLS tubes. So vertical launch systems. Basically, how many big tomahawk missiles can you carry on a ship? It's how much firepower are you fielding. So, let's use an example of that, right? A destroyer, naval

13:50destroyer costs about $3 billion. Takes three billion three billion. And I'm not even getting into the sustainment and maintenance costs over the life cycle of the destroyer. I'm just talking about what it costs to buy. If we do that, it's 10 10 billion over 30, 40 years. $3 billion, 6 to 8 years to make. You carry you you can field about 96 VLS tubes. So, I'm going to round up. I'm

14:13going to make that 100 for easy math. So on average, you're fielding somewhere between 10 to 15 VLS tubes per year at a cost of 30 million per tube. Marauder, I won't give you the exact price or cost, but can reduce that cost by a significant amount, but we're building 20 Marauders for we're going to be building 20 marauders per year at our shipyard in Louisiana. Right? So now you can field, we can

14:43carry the equivalent of 16 VLS tubes on the back of that 180 foot fully autonomous ship. So now you can field 320 VLS tubes per year as opposed to 15. And you could do it at a fraction of the cost. This is how you actually save the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars and you get more capability into the field faster. >> I mean, that's just extraordinary

15:09thinking about it. What do you lose by not having humans on it? You know, are we going to be faced with a moment in time where these are kind of like uh drones, you know, where there's no pilots. They're just pilots in a shipping container dropped somewhere either, you know, in the middle of America and doing it remote like we've done. Is that the future of warfare with

15:30these ships or and and what do you lose when you don't have a team there on the boat? What is the criticism, valid or invalid, that people have of unmanned ships? >> Well, I'm going to let V talk about the way that we're using software because I think the the criticism to your question is, well, what happens if we're in the middle of the ocean and the ship breaks