Nvidia's own AI-startup investments aren't concerning given its massive free cash flow, but the further an investment goes out the risk curve — into startup neoclouds and challenger chipmakers with weak balance sheets — the more likely it is to signal disguised demand problems.
Gerstner distinguishes Nvidia's well-capitalized, non-obligatory investments from riskier deals further down the AI supply chain, predicting more 'yellow flags' will emerge among weaker startups and chipmakers. ✦ AI generated
Brad Gerstner · BG2 Pod · 2025-10-14 · original ↗
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But I do think that as you go further and further out the risk curve, right? Further and further to these startup neo clouds or further and further to startup chips, you know, etc., where people, to your point, are a little bit more desperate for capital, don't have the balance sheets, don't have the market leadership position, I would not be surprised at all in this moment to see more of those yellow flags emerge.
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14:39this overall ecosystem, the reason I'm happy you're bringing it up, I think one of the things we need to do to keep the wall of worry there, to keep the excesses from emerging, is to call them out. I'm not concerned as a shareholder in Nvidia with what I'm seeing Nvidia do today. I like how they're deploying their cash on their balance sheet. But I do think that as you go further and
15:01further out the risk curve, right? Further and further to these startup neo clouds or further and further to startup chips, you know, etc., where people, to your point, are a little bit more desperate for capital, don't have the balance sheets, don't have the market leadership position, I would not be surprised at all in this moment to see more of those yellow flags emerge. There's a couple things, you know, that
15:24I would say in response. One, there's a reason we know about a lot of these things, and that's because some auditor somewhere made them disclose them. Like, they felt that it was um abnormal enough to require disclosure. Second, I heard I listened to you and and the All-In team talk about this issue. I I do think investment is riskier or more risk-seeking than customer loans, which it was compared
15:48to. And Cisco got in trouble just with the customer loans, cuz they were giving loans to startups who really didn't have the wherewithal to pay them back. But when That's really the issue for me, though, when you switch from a loan to an equity, you no longer have to pay it back. So, in some ways, it's uh it's easier on the purchaser than if you had a loan themselves. But But here's my
16:10Here's my bottom line. I think what this does, this this overall situation, is first of all, I think it's driven by competition at this point. And like the first the first step into the gray zone was way back at the beginning. And so, now I think we're we're fairly pregnant with it. So, I think it's a competitive dynamic. I think it increases the chance that we go
16:31over the top, that that we end up over-provisioning. And I I kind of felt like that was unavoidable anyway. But now I think it's higher. And But I think it maybe pushes out when we find out that happens, because you've you've just created more virtual leverage on the whole system, and you might be hiding some of the signs that would tell you things are slowing down. I'll give you a