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Neanderthals and modern humans both descend from a single population that invented Middle Stone Age (Levallois) technology roughly 300,000 years ago and expanded outward — the branch that moved into Europe was genetically swamped by local archaic humans (becoming Neanderthals, ~95% archaic), while the branch that expanded within Africa mixed with more diverged archaic Africans in smaller proportion (becoming modern humans, ~20% archaic) — so Neanderthals and modern humans share the same cultural ancestry and differ mainly in which archaic population absorbed them.

In an off-the-cuff whiteboard sketch, Reich proposes that Neanderthals aren't simply a separate archaic lineage modern humans later interbred with, but are descendants of a Middle-Stone-Age-inventing population related to modern humans that expanded into Europe and got genetically swamped by local archaics — while the same expansion into Africa, diluted less by more divergent archaic Africans, produced modern humans. ✦ AI generated

David Reich · Dwarkesh Podcast · 2026-05-08 · original ↗

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“What are other questions you are either investigating right now or want to investigate, these kinds of big picture questions of human history?”

So you actually have this key population that makes the Middle Stone Age or Levallois technology. It appears and expands in all directions—into Europe and into Africa 200,000 to 300,000 years ago—bringing this technology, new ideas, and perhaps some genetic adaptations. It expands into archaic humans in Europe, mixes with the local population, and gets 95% replaced but still retains its cultural features and maybe some genetic features.

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77:13– The Neanderthal puzzle David can’t stop thinking about

77:13– The Neanderthal puzzle David can’t stop thinking about

✳ Denisovans✳ Middle Stone Age✳ Neanderthals
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