Figure and Hark are at an inflection point where they could be 100x to 1000x bigger in 5 years, with a binary outcome of massive success or failure.

1:41win for these reasons. I I'm I I'm very competitive. I I want to kick ass. I think that like you definitely have to care about this a little bit and you actually have to I think you care a lot about figure being the biggest company in the world. You talk about like you definitely have this like Napoleon energy of like I want to be the best. I

1:58want to conquer. >> I I think any way I would characterize is like we're just like we're just now like these companies of mine are just now hitting inlection point and they're really early like they can be like really big. So if it works this will like 100x,000x from here. So most of my energy is like how do I make sure that works? There is no flatline here. It's either like it

2:19goes down or goes up, right? Either like it's binary. Either the robots go out of scale or they don't go out of scale. So in like 5 years time, it's either going to be a very big thing or very bad. And so all my energy is going into making this like thousand or a millionx from where we're at here. And so it's it's like the pressure is on to like really

2:36just deliver. >> Where where are you now? What's the outlook now for the next 5 years then? I think last time you were on 3 years ago, we said that I think I said it. Uh I was like you'll probably be in the $40 to $50 million valuation range, which I think you are now. But in terms of like you you're still lacking output of robots, like you still need we still

2:56need that to come. When where are you going to be in five years? What's your prediction? >> I think at a high level, I think the AI work that we're seeing here now is going to be so much it's going to be like a hundred times bigger than the internet. It's just like everything is just so it's just working so well. like the system is working well like deep